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This episode got a little… theatrical. 🎭
In the first-ever LIVE episode of The EOB Podcast, Justin and Julie are joined by Shawn Gremminger, President & CEO of the National Alliance of Healthcare Purchaser Coalitions, for a deep dive into one of the biggest issues in healthcare today:
👉 Why employers still struggle to access their own data
👉 How PBMs and carriers use opaque contracts
👉 And why healthcare pricing still feels intentionally confusing
Through a mix of live skits, audience interaction, sarcasm, and real policy discussion, the episode breaks down:
• Shared savings programs
• Contract transparency
• PBM reform and data access
• Employer fiduciary responsibility
• Hospital pricing and pharmacy spend
• ERISA preemption
• Why employers are finally pushing back
Shawn shares insights from working with employer coalitions representing more than 90 million Americans and explains why this moment feels different than years past.
One major takeaway:
👉 Employers are no longer willing to blindly trust the system.
And yes… there’s also a fake Kohl’s rebate program skit.
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